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		<title>By: Mike Haubrich</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/02/strong-ideas-and-exclusionary-thinking/#comment-21943</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Haubrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, you have a teacher&#039;s knack for confusing people who don&#039;t like facts.</description>
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		<title>By: Ed Darrell</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/02/strong-ideas-and-exclusionary-thinking/#comment-21526</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Are you really so totally “F”ING Cluless you do not know Ayers IS RESPONSIBE for our banks being robbed, for BLOWING UP Private Firms, US Government/Military Buildings, Police Stations, Police Cars adnd KILLING Americans?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, no, actually I&#039;m schooled enough in law and rhetoric, and especially in the use of evidence and reason, to know that Ayers isn&#039;t responsible for most of that, maybe for any of that, beyond what he was convicted of and paid the price for.  

The year before I got there, the University of Utah&#039;s ROTC building was torched in some demonstration.  Horrible act of violence -- fortunately there was time to get everything important out of the building, and no one was injured.  Some say the cops didn&#039;t chase the perpetrators hard enough, but there was this:  The building had been scheduled to have a bulldozer rip it down a few days later.  The fire saved some significant demolition costs.  

Sure it was a criminal act.  But how would the sentencing go if it came out that the criminal act saved the taxpayers a lot of money?

Bill Ayers tangentially worked with Obama on an education project financed by an arm of the Annenberg Foundation.  You know, Nixon&#039;s pal, Ambassador Annenberg. Annenberg, the guy who gave us &lt;i&gt;TV Guide&lt;/i&gt;. Any sane person would worry about the link between Annenberg/Nixon and Obama.  You focused on Ayers instead.  

One more case of blaming the teachers instead of the criminals, it seems to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Are you really so totally “F”ING Cluless you do not know Ayers IS RESPONSIBE for our banks being robbed, for BLOWING UP Private Firms, US Government/Military Buildings, Police Stations, Police Cars adnd KILLING Americans?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, no, actually I&#8217;m schooled enough in law and rhetoric, and especially in the use of evidence and reason, to know that Ayers isn&#8217;t responsible for most of that, maybe for any of that, beyond what he was convicted of and paid the price for.  </p>
<p>The year before I got there, the University of Utah&#8217;s ROTC building was torched in some demonstration.  Horrible act of violence &#8212; fortunately there was time to get everything important out of the building, and no one was injured.  Some say the cops didn&#8217;t chase the perpetrators hard enough, but there was this:  The building had been scheduled to have a bulldozer rip it down a few days later.  The fire saved some significant demolition costs.  </p>
<p>Sure it was a criminal act.  But how would the sentencing go if it came out that the criminal act saved the taxpayers a lot of money?</p>
<p>Bill Ayers tangentially worked with Obama on an education project financed by an arm of the Annenberg Foundation.  You know, Nixon&#8217;s pal, Ambassador Annenberg. Annenberg, the guy who gave us <i>TV Guide</i>. Any sane person would worry about the link between Annenberg/Nixon and Obama.  You focused on Ayers instead.  </p>
<p>One more case of blaming the teachers instead of the criminals, it seems to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Laden</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/02/strong-ideas-and-exclusionary-thinking/#comment-10072</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Laden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, thanks for your comment.  You are a credit to your kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, thanks for your comment.  You are a credit to your kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Haubrich</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/02/strong-ideas-and-exclusionary-thinking/#comment-9918</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Haubrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether or not Osama bin Laden would ever be invited to be a guest lecturer at the University of Minnesota is an interesting question, and one that I am not likely to take too seriously.  The idea, however, that if one were to attend such a series or take such a class, one would be indoctrinated into his terrorist mindset is also interesting.  

Yes, I would love to be able learn what has developed a terrorist. It&#039;s puzzling to me how people can find a way to justify murder for political ends and in a manner that doesn&#039;t discriminate between their intended targets and their collateral damage, followed by a justification that allows them to defend their position that even if the victims are all what we would consider &quot;collateral damage&quot; it serves a larger and more glorious purpose.  I think that what Osama bin Laden organized in relations to the Twin Towers bombing in 2001 is a shaded scale of terrorism.  Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon, for example, who bombed Cambodia (now Kampuchea) in the interest of killing NVA and Cong who were using Cambodia as a sidestreet to Vietnam, were dropping bombs on a countryside and a people against whom we hadn&#039;t even declared war.

And non-NVA and Cong were killed by it, innocents in a non-combatant country.  Later, Kissinger was teaching at Harvard and his classes were well-attended. I would have taken a class from him.

William Ayers, who was present at one fund-raiser for a local community organizer in Chicago, has been dealt with legally and paid for his crimes.  Your attitude of vigilantism disturbs me because you are justifying a sort of terrorism of your own.  Where the legal means to handle the criminal actions of Ayers are not enough for you, you would do physical violence yourself.  And you feel justified because your analysis is keener than any district attorney, court or judge.  You are smarter and better than the government, so you want to take the law in your own hands, right?  I think you are on the terrorist scale yourself.

Thanks for your comment, thanks for leaving your name.  Not many who write as you do have the guts to do so.

I haven&#039;t seen the polls that indicate that everyone who voted for Obama voted for him because of his mixed-race heritage.  I voted for his whiteness as much as his blackness, but more importantly I preferred him for President because his policies more reflected my own preferences than did John McCain&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not Osama bin Laden would ever be invited to be a guest lecturer at the University of Minnesota is an interesting question, and one that I am not likely to take too seriously.  The idea, however, that if one were to attend such a series or take such a class, one would be indoctrinated into his terrorist mindset is also interesting.  </p>
<p>Yes, I would love to be able learn what has developed a terrorist. It&#8217;s puzzling to me how people can find a way to justify murder for political ends and in a manner that doesn&#8217;t discriminate between their intended targets and their collateral damage, followed by a justification that allows them to defend their position that even if the victims are all what we would consider &#8220;collateral damage&#8221; it serves a larger and more glorious purpose.  I think that what Osama bin Laden organized in relations to the Twin Towers bombing in 2001 is a shaded scale of terrorism.  Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon, for example, who bombed Cambodia (now Kampuchea) in the interest of killing NVA and Cong who were using Cambodia as a sidestreet to Vietnam, were dropping bombs on a countryside and a people against whom we hadn&#8217;t even declared war.</p>
<p>And non-NVA and Cong were killed by it, innocents in a non-combatant country.  Later, Kissinger was teaching at Harvard and his classes were well-attended. I would have taken a class from him.</p>
<p>William Ayers, who was present at one fund-raiser for a local community organizer in Chicago, has been dealt with legally and paid for his crimes.  Your attitude of vigilantism disturbs me because you are justifying a sort of terrorism of your own.  Where the legal means to handle the criminal actions of Ayers are not enough for you, you would do physical violence yourself.  And you feel justified because your analysis is keener than any district attorney, court or judge.  You are smarter and better than the government, so you want to take the law in your own hands, right?  I think you are on the terrorist scale yourself.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment, thanks for leaving your name.  Not many who write as you do have the guts to do so.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen the polls that indicate that everyone who voted for Obama voted for him because of his mixed-race heritage.  I voted for his whiteness as much as his blackness, but more importantly I preferred him for President because his policies more reflected my own preferences than did John McCain&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil C Reinhardt</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/02/strong-ideas-and-exclusionary-thinking/#comment-9897</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil C Reinhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if in a few years Osama bin Laden is teaching a class in whatever you would attend his class as well?

Are you really so totally &quot;F&quot;ING Cluless you do not know Ayers IS RESPONSIBE for our banks being robbed, for BLOWING UP Private Firms, US Government/Military Buildings, Police Stations, Police Cars adnd KILLING Americans?

The only damn difference betwee Doren / Ayers and osas bin Laden is the numbr of FDEAD Americans!  

Anyone who voted for ODUMA has NO MORE Integrity than he does and he HAS NONE!

And IF I lived where Ayres does, he would damn well
not only know I was there, he sure as hell would not enjoy it!

And FYI CHILD, IT is JUST as Racist to Vote for someone ONLY due to their race as it is to vote against.  Thus, MANY who voted for ODUMA are RACISTS!

Neil C. Reinhardt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if in a few years Osama bin Laden is teaching a class in whatever you would attend his class as well?</p>
<p>Are you really so totally &#8220;F&#8221;ING Cluless you do not know Ayers IS RESPONSIBE for our banks being robbed, for BLOWING UP Private Firms, US Government/Military Buildings, Police Stations, Police Cars adnd KILLING Americans?</p>
<p>The only damn difference betwee Doren / Ayers and osas bin Laden is the numbr of FDEAD Americans!  </p>
<p>Anyone who voted for ODUMA has NO MORE Integrity than he does and he HAS NONE!</p>
<p>And IF I lived where Ayres does, he would damn well<br />
not only know I was there, he sure as hell would not enjoy it!</p>
<p>And FYI CHILD, IT is JUST as Racist to Vote for someone ONLY due to their race as it is to vote against.  Thus, MANY who voted for ODUMA are RACISTS!</p>
<p>Neil C. Reinhardt</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Laden</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/02/strong-ideas-and-exclusionary-thinking/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Laden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 03:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that we need a justification, mind you!!!  But yes, we need to eventually develop a policy, and it might end up being inconsistent and arbitrary.  Or at least, one would hope (that we would recognize any policy as such, necessarily, and not kid ourselves).   My personal preference is to not have a restrictive policy at all, but to defend commenters from other commenters if necessary.  And if anybody messes with my loved ones (Mike, Stephanie, Ana, etc.) YOU&#039;RE SCREWED!!!111!!11!!!!!!

But seriously, yes, we will be working on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that we need a justification, mind you!!!  But yes, we need to eventually develop a policy, and it might end up being inconsistent and arbitrary.  Or at least, one would hope (that we would recognize any policy as such, necessarily, and not kid ourselves).   My personal preference is to not have a restrictive policy at all, but to defend commenters from other commenters if necessary.  And if anybody messes with my loved ones (Mike, Stephanie, Ana, etc.) YOU&#8217;RE SCREWED!!!111!!11!!!!!!</p>
<p>But seriously, yes, we will be working on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Haubrich</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/02/strong-ideas-and-exclusionary-thinking/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Haubrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg and I were discussing that we should have a comment policy here, but since we don&#039;t, we don&#039;t have justification to delete Nuckols&#039; post.  I&#039;ll put this warning in, though, that if Nuckols does this again such a post will be dust in the ether.  Not that we don&#039;t tolerate dissent, but asshattery is out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg and I were discussing that we should have a comment policy here, but since we don&#8217;t, we don&#8217;t have justification to delete Nuckols&#8217; post.  I&#8217;ll put this warning in, though, that if Nuckols does this again such a post will be dust in the ether.  Not that we don&#8217;t tolerate dissent, but asshattery is out.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Laden</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/02/strong-ideas-and-exclusionary-thinking/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Laden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The size of the man can be estimated by the size of the thing that gets him mad.  So Nuckols gets to live for another comment or two.  

Not that size matters or anything.

April, my grandmother had a similar story but instead of Japanese tourists it was Cary Grant being directed by Alfred Hitchcock and instead of a server&#039;s station it was the front door of some fancy hotel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The size of the man can be estimated by the size of the thing that gets him mad.  So Nuckols gets to live for another comment or two.  </p>
<p>Not that size matters or anything.</p>
<p>April, my grandmother had a similar story but instead of Japanese tourists it was Cary Grant being directed by Alfred Hitchcock and instead of a server&#8217;s station it was the front door of some fancy hotel.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/02/strong-ideas-and-exclusionary-thinking/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it true that &quot;those who cheat in small things...will cheat in large things&quot;? 
I cheat on my diet. Does that mean I will also cheat on my taxes? 
Wow! I need to keep an eye on myself...maybe turn myself in now, before it&#039;s too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it true that &#8220;those who cheat in small things&#8230;will cheat in large things&#8221;?<br />
I cheat on my diet. Does that mean I will also cheat on my taxes?<br />
Wow! I need to keep an eye on myself&#8230;maybe turn myself in now, before it&#8217;s too late.</p>
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		<title>By: April Torzewski</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/02/strong-ideas-and-exclusionary-thinking/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>April Torzewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and B Nuckols:  Those women would have the abortions anyhow, most likely.  Except it wouldn&#039;t be under a physician&#039;s care so they might die too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and B Nuckols:  Those women would have the abortions anyhow, most likely.  Except it wouldn&#8217;t be under a physician&#8217;s care so they might die too.</p>
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