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		<title>By: copy editor</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/04/what-is-an-editor/#comment-1946</link>
		<dc:creator>copy editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 07:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephanie, I would like to echo that this is a wonderful piece about editing, which is the work I&#039;ve been doing for the past decade. I have so many feelings about what you&#039;ve said, and as I read your words, those feelings mostly manifested themselves in my cheering &quot;Right on!&quot; at my computer screen. I don&#039;t even know where to begin. I&#039;m so taken aback by your spot-on assessment of an editor&#039;s and a copy editor&#039;s job, and so completely disappointed that it&#039;s difficult for me to find the words to explain to others why I think my job is important.

I listened to the Atheists Talk broadcast with Bora Z, and I remember him talking about the things you mentioned in this piece. I remember him saying he thinks that the Web allows for a more democratic filtering of the information people put out there instead of an editor doing the filtering before it reaches the masses. I&#039;d argue with the notion of the Web as democratic, but that&#039;s another comment entirely and one that would firstly explain that editors and copy editors aren&#039;t dictators. We&#039;re collaborators, and we&#039;re skilled professionals. Secondly, that there is nothing inherently democratic about inaccurate information. Thirdly, oh, I said I wasn&#039;t going to go on about that. Sorry.

I&#039;ve been watching as my profession is going through a major transition. I once counted myself among the many in my profession who pooh-poohed the Web and social media as a serious source of accurate information, mostly because I saw all of it, and rightly so, as a threat to what I do. However, I no longer hold in contempt the technologies that help us communicate in ways unimaginable before, and I no longer necessarily see once-trusted sources of information as trustworthy anymore.

I do feel there is a lot that many publications are doing wrong in how they use this new media, such as the fact that publications have let new media and corporate media conglomeration define their publications (even their business models) instead of experienced journalists and editors defining the best way to work new media into an existing structure that was set up to achieve journalistic integrity, and at the same time remain profitable. (And I could go on forever about this, too, but I won&#039;t.) But all in all, social media and the blogosphere are useful things to me and a great many others. After all, through them I found Quiche Moraine and ScienceBlogs, and that&#039;s a good thing.

Like you, I imagine that bloggers and other online publications will move toward more critique of the information they publish, but I don&#039;t think that will be for a while. But I know from experience and observation that many publications trying to break into the online world from print, and even publications that have always been online, just do not value copy editors, in particular. We&#039;re seen as bottlenecks. It&#039;s difficult going to work each day knowing this, and knowing my days, and the days of what I do professionally, are numbered.

When the pink slip comes my way, and it certainly will, I&#039;ll be OK. I plan to change careers. But not all my fellow copy editors are so inclined or interested. We do important work. We don&#039;t just sit around with red pens and look down our noses at others&#039; writing. We contribute a lot toward making someone&#039;s writing clearer, more consistent, more accessible, honest (we catch errors of fact often), and, dare I say it, more successfully received. We do it all, and we never, ever get the byline. No matter what writers may think, copy editors do appreciate them and their ability to just get the words out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephanie, I would like to echo that this is a wonderful piece about editing, which is the work I&#8217;ve been doing for the past decade. I have so many feelings about what you&#8217;ve said, and as I read your words, those feelings mostly manifested themselves in my cheering &#8220;Right on!&#8221; at my computer screen. I don&#8217;t even know where to begin. I&#8217;m so taken aback by your spot-on assessment of an editor&#8217;s and a copy editor&#8217;s job, and so completely disappointed that it&#8217;s difficult for me to find the words to explain to others why I think my job is important.</p>
<p>I listened to the Atheists Talk broadcast with Bora Z, and I remember him talking about the things you mentioned in this piece. I remember him saying he thinks that the Web allows for a more democratic filtering of the information people put out there instead of an editor doing the filtering before it reaches the masses. I&#8217;d argue with the notion of the Web as democratic, but that&#8217;s another comment entirely and one that would firstly explain that editors and copy editors aren&#8217;t dictators. We&#8217;re collaborators, and we&#8217;re skilled professionals. Secondly, that there is nothing inherently democratic about inaccurate information. Thirdly, oh, I said I wasn&#8217;t going to go on about that. Sorry.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been watching as my profession is going through a major transition. I once counted myself among the many in my profession who pooh-poohed the Web and social media as a serious source of accurate information, mostly because I saw all of it, and rightly so, as a threat to what I do. However, I no longer hold in contempt the technologies that help us communicate in ways unimaginable before, and I no longer necessarily see once-trusted sources of information as trustworthy anymore.</p>
<p>I do feel there is a lot that many publications are doing wrong in how they use this new media, such as the fact that publications have let new media and corporate media conglomeration define their publications (even their business models) instead of experienced journalists and editors defining the best way to work new media into an existing structure that was set up to achieve journalistic integrity, and at the same time remain profitable. (And I could go on forever about this, too, but I won&#8217;t.) But all in all, social media and the blogosphere are useful things to me and a great many others. After all, through them I found Quiche Moraine and ScienceBlogs, and that&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
<p>Like you, I imagine that bloggers and other online publications will move toward more critique of the information they publish, but I don&#8217;t think that will be for a while. But I know from experience and observation that many publications trying to break into the online world from print, and even publications that have always been online, just do not value copy editors, in particular. We&#8217;re seen as bottlenecks. It&#8217;s difficult going to work each day knowing this, and knowing my days, and the days of what I do professionally, are numbered.</p>
<p>When the pink slip comes my way, and it certainly will, I&#8217;ll be OK. I plan to change careers. But not all my fellow copy editors are so inclined or interested. We do important work. We don&#8217;t just sit around with red pens and look down our noses at others&#8217; writing. We contribute a lot toward making someone&#8217;s writing clearer, more consistent, more accessible, honest (we catch errors of fact often), and, dare I say it, more successfully received. We do it all, and we never, ever get the byline. No matter what writers may think, copy editors do appreciate them and their ability to just get the words out.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Zvan</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/04/what-is-an-editor/#comment-1601</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Zvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 17:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry Gee&#039;s post on being a gatekeeper at &lt;i&gt;Nature&lt;/i&gt;.

http://network.nature.com/people/henrygee/blog/2009/05/01/what-i-think-about-when-i-think-about-manuscripts

Don&#039;t miss the comments. As usual, once an editor says they&#039;re willing to talk about process, lots of good questions get asked and answered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry Gee&#8217;s post on being a gatekeeper at <i>Nature</i>.</p>
<p><a href="http://network.nature.com/people/henrygee/blog/2009/05/01/what-i-think-about-when-i-think-about-manuscripts" rel="nofollow">http://network.nature.com/people/henrygee/blog/2009/05/01/what-i-think-about-when-i-think-about-manuscripts</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t miss the comments. As usual, once an editor says they&#8217;re willing to talk about process, lots of good questions get asked and answered.</p>
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		<title>By: Name Withheld Just In Case</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/04/what-is-an-editor/#comment-1305</link>
		<dc:creator>Name Withheld Just In Case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would prefer to leave the public face of Scienceblogs.com to Erin and others (not other bloggers, but rather, Sb/Seed officials) but I&#039;ll just say one small thing:  For me to have Erin&#039;s job I&#039;d have to be a different person than I am.  I am in awe of her skill and ability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would prefer to leave the public face of Scienceblogs.com to Erin and others (not other bloggers, but rather, Sb/Seed officials) but I&#8217;ll just say one small thing:  For me to have Erin&#8217;s job I&#8217;d have to be a different person than I am.  I am in awe of her skill and ability.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Zvan</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/04/what-is-an-editor/#comment-1300</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Zvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Erin! Lots of good information from you too. I really appreciate the additional perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Erin! Lots of good information from you too. I really appreciate the additional perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/04/what-is-an-editor/#comment-1298</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that there&#039;s certainly an aspect to &#039;gatekeeping&#039; editing that can&#039;t be crowdsourced, and that&#039;s when there&#039;s a specific editorial line or goal. At ScienceBlogs, for example, we don&#039;t necessarily look for the most popular blogs or the ones that are getting the most buzz- we look for the ones that WE think should be getting the most buzz, or that we&#039;d like to create buzz around, particularly ones that are in line with the overall mission and ideals of our company. We have different paramaters of who is &#039;let through the gate&#039; than the general tide might suggest. 

At ScienceBlogs, and I imagine many other websites with similar structure, we editors are in the unique position of simultaneously having to manage our contributors, even though we exert remarkably little actual editorial control past the point of recruitment. Assisting them with technology, keeping them aware of things that affect the network and their blogs, responding to all kinds of special questions, requests, concerns, etc. Balancing the demands of our bloggers, readers, and business is one of the most challenging things, I think, of the job, and not something that can be done (well) without individual and focused consideration. 

Great post- lots of food for thought!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that there&#8217;s certainly an aspect to &#8216;gatekeeping&#8217; editing that can&#8217;t be crowdsourced, and that&#8217;s when there&#8217;s a specific editorial line or goal. At ScienceBlogs, for example, we don&#8217;t necessarily look for the most popular blogs or the ones that are getting the most buzz- we look for the ones that WE think should be getting the most buzz, or that we&#8217;d like to create buzz around, particularly ones that are in line with the overall mission and ideals of our company. We have different paramaters of who is &#8216;let through the gate&#8217; than the general tide might suggest. </p>
<p>At ScienceBlogs, and I imagine many other websites with similar structure, we editors are in the unique position of simultaneously having to manage our contributors, even though we exert remarkably little actual editorial control past the point of recruitment. Assisting them with technology, keeping them aware of things that affect the network and their blogs, responding to all kinds of special questions, requests, concerns, etc. Balancing the demands of our bloggers, readers, and business is one of the most challenging things, I think, of the job, and not something that can be done (well) without individual and focused consideration. </p>
<p>Great post- lots of food for thought!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Haubrich</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/04/what-is-an-editor/#comment-1213</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Haubrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Oscar, I think that the editor helps to hold up a mirror to the content.  I once wrote what I thought was a brilliant summation of the issues in Creationism/Evolution education debate.  I asked a woman I was dating at time, a woman with experience in editing, to take her red pen to it and help me out.

It was a painful realization that I was making too many assumptions for the audience, that they would have a certain level of knowledge.  I think she used two red pens, because the first ran out of ink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Oscar, I think that the editor helps to hold up a mirror to the content.  I once wrote what I thought was a brilliant summation of the issues in Creationism/Evolution education debate.  I asked a woman I was dating at time, a woman with experience in editing, to take her red pen to it and help me out.</p>
<p>It was a painful realization that I was making too many assumptions for the audience, that they would have a certain level of knowledge.  I think she used two red pens, because the first ran out of ink.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Zvan</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/04/what-is-an-editor/#comment-1212</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Zvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries. Comments are never really edited, simply because they require real-time response. Although in this discussion, I suspect there will be a certain amount of going away, thinking about things, and blogging elsewhere. I&#039;ll try to make sure links to other bits get in the comments here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries. Comments are never really edited, simply because they require real-time response. Although in this discussion, I suspect there will be a certain amount of going away, thinking about things, and blogging elsewhere. I&#8217;ll try to make sure links to other bits get in the comments here.</p>
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		<title>By: BioinfoTools</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/04/what-is-an-editor/#comment-1199</link>
		<dc:creator>BioinfoTools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you can tell, my reply to cromercrox was off-the-cuff with no self-editing. Embarrassingly bad form on my part. It was written in the wee hours of the morning after a long day (my reply to Stephanie was written earlier). I won&#039;t bore you with personal events, but I seemed to have capped a mediocre week and a lousy weekend by serving this on myself. Maybe I will go outside, dig myself an hole, jump into it and take up a vow of silence. (I&#039;m thinking of the holy hole man in &lt;i&gt;Life of Brian&lt;/i&gt; for some reason.) Or more ordinarily convince myself not to write in the wee hours and to get more sleep. I would still welcome comments if people would be kind enough to overlook this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you can tell, my reply to cromercrox was off-the-cuff with no self-editing. Embarrassingly bad form on my part. It was written in the wee hours of the morning after a long day (my reply to Stephanie was written earlier). I won&#8217;t bore you with personal events, but I seemed to have capped a mediocre week and a lousy weekend by serving this on myself. Maybe I will go outside, dig myself an hole, jump into it and take up a vow of silence. (I&#8217;m thinking of the holy hole man in <i>Life of Brian</i> for some reason.) Or more ordinarily convince myself not to write in the wee hours and to get more sleep. I would still welcome comments if people would be kind enough to overlook this.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Zvan</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/04/what-is-an-editor/#comment-1191</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Zvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 00:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oscar, may I refer you to my comments on writing rape scenes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oscar, may I refer you to my comments on writing rape scenes.</p>
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		<title>By: oscar zoalaster</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/04/what-is-an-editor/#comment-1189</link>
		<dc:creator>oscar zoalaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most valuable thing that an editor can do is to make sure that the written copy actually does say what the author intends for it to say.  There are far too many writers who feel that the reader is going to understand the intended meaning, no matter how much their sentences do not mean what the author thinks they mean.  Because those writers are so arrogantly certain that the obligation to understand belongs to the reader they often assume that their work is being misread when the reader is accurately understanding what was actually written....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most valuable thing that an editor can do is to make sure that the written copy actually does say what the author intends for it to say.  There are far too many writers who feel that the reader is going to understand the intended meaning, no matter how much their sentences do not mean what the author thinks they mean.  Because those writers are so arrogantly certain that the obligation to understand belongs to the reader they often assume that their work is being misread when the reader is accurately understanding what was actually written&#8230;.</p>
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