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	<title>Comments on: Maybe We Should Have Elected a White President After All</title>
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		<title>By: Greg Laden</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/08/maybe-we-should-have-elected-a-white-president-after-all/#comment-12846</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Laden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yahzi: You would benefit from reading all the words instead of whatever it is you are doing, before painting someone with your broad brush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yahzi: You would benefit from reading all the words instead of whatever it is you are doing, before painting someone with your broad brush.</p>
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		<title>By: Yahzi</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/08/maybe-we-should-have-elected-a-white-president-after-all/#comment-12780</link>
		<dc:creator>Yahzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not racism, Greg, it&#039;s selfishness. And oddly, you exhibit your fair share of it here.

People (specifically liberals) aren&#039;t against health care because they are racist. They are against it because they don&#039;t want to pay for it. All those middle class people aren&#039;t racists, they&#039;re just indifferent to the suffering of others. All they want is their TV and their car and to pay as little for it as possible.

Which matches you: you want great change and political reform, but only if it&#039;s cheap. If it&#039;s hard and expensive and takes a long time, then you&#039;re going to throw in the towel just like all those other people.

Oppression is not so much an overt effort by the minority as it is a lack of effort from the majority. Complaining that other people are only interested in what profits them is absurd, since you&#039;re trying to change their behavior to your profit. Instead, let&#039;s focus on explaining to people how our positions profit both sides. It&#039;s the same way you save the rain forest; not by appealing to people&#039;s nobility, but by showing how environmentalism is actually more profitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not racism, Greg, it&#8217;s selfishness. And oddly, you exhibit your fair share of it here.</p>
<p>People (specifically liberals) aren&#8217;t against health care because they are racist. They are against it because they don&#8217;t want to pay for it. All those middle class people aren&#8217;t racists, they&#8217;re just indifferent to the suffering of others. All they want is their TV and their car and to pay as little for it as possible.</p>
<p>Which matches you: you want great change and political reform, but only if it&#8217;s cheap. If it&#8217;s hard and expensive and takes a long time, then you&#8217;re going to throw in the towel just like all those other people.</p>
<p>Oppression is not so much an overt effort by the minority as it is a lack of effort from the majority. Complaining that other people are only interested in what profits them is absurd, since you&#8217;re trying to change their behavior to your profit. Instead, let&#8217;s focus on explaining to people how our positions profit both sides. It&#8217;s the same way you save the rain forest; not by appealing to people&#8217;s nobility, but by showing how environmentalism is actually more profitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Gardner</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/08/maybe-we-should-have-elected-a-white-president-after-all/#comment-12513</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I dislike Obama and his policies because they are all about expanding government control and that’s the ONLY reason.&quot;

I guess you forgot about the Patriot Act. Or are you opposed to that as well? We could find some common ground on that issue if you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I dislike Obama and his policies because they are all about expanding government control and that’s the ONLY reason.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess you forgot about the Patriot Act. Or are you opposed to that as well? We could find some common ground on that issue if you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Monado</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/08/maybe-we-should-have-elected-a-white-president-after-all/#comment-11958</link>
		<dc:creator>Monado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, there&#039;s just one thing to do: encourage your daughter to learn French (extra immigration points), get a higher degree (ditto), and move to Canada. Or marry a Canadian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, there&#8217;s just one thing to do: encourage your daughter to learn French (extra immigration points), get a higher degree (ditto), and move to Canada. Or marry a Canadian.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/08/maybe-we-should-have-elected-a-white-president-after-all/#comment-11516</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not racism, you ninny, it&#039;s *politics*.

Just like Republicans suffered from Clinton Derangement Syndrome in the 90s, Democrats suffered/suffer from BDS and now the Republicans suffer ODS By Proxy (since directly criticizing a half-white man is political suicide).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not racism, you ninny, it&#8217;s *politics*.</p>
<p>Just like Republicans suffered from Clinton Derangement Syndrome in the 90s, Democrats suffered/suffer from BDS and now the Republicans suffer ODS By Proxy (since directly criticizing a half-white man is political suicide).</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Laden</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/08/maybe-we-should-have-elected-a-white-president-after-all/#comment-5305</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Laden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC: See comments above by Dan for some research on this.

V August, no I didn&#039;t say that. Yes, it&#039;s possible that I&#039;m a moron.  No, I&#039;m not going to kill myself.  

I don&#039;t mind death threats or innuendos from you, but don&#039;t try that on any of my co-bloggers or the commenters or I&#039;ll kick your ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC: See comments above by Dan for some research on this.</p>
<p>V August, no I didn&#8217;t say that. Yes, it&#8217;s possible that I&#8217;m a moron.  No, I&#8217;m not going to kill myself.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind death threats or innuendos from you, but don&#8217;t try that on any of my co-bloggers or the commenters or I&#8217;ll kick your ass.</p>
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		<title>By: D. C. Sessions</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/08/maybe-we-should-have-elected-a-white-president-after-all/#comment-5301</link>
		<dc:creator>D. C. Sessions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;DC: Is it? Details please. I’m not sure I heard the race card phrase before J.C. used it on the Dream Team, but I may have just missed it. I’m sure things somewhat like this have always been around, but as a presumed part of virutally all public conversations in which race might come up? I’m sticking with my story until proven otherwise, but quite willing to be shown wrong.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry, I can&#039;t provide public sources -- just that the &quot;race card&quot; rhetorical gambit was already in use in private conversations when I was an undergraduate -- and that was almost 40 years ago.

If I had to speculate, I&#039;d say that the term was coined during the major Civil Rights Movement of the 60s and 70s but not in use at the national level.  When things quieted down (relatively speaking) after Nixon gave us other things to stress over, it lay dormant until another round of heightened press coverage for racial tensions in the 90s.

So barring a serious job of etymological research, I can&#039;t give you anything precise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>DC: Is it? Details please. I’m not sure I heard the race card phrase before J.C. used it on the Dream Team, but I may have just missed it. I’m sure things somewhat like this have always been around, but as a presumed part of virutally all public conversations in which race might come up? I’m sticking with my story until proven otherwise, but quite willing to be shown wrong.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry, I can&#8217;t provide public sources &#8212; just that the &#8220;race card&#8221; rhetorical gambit was already in use in private conversations when I was an undergraduate &#8212; and that was almost 40 years ago.</p>
<p>If I had to speculate, I&#8217;d say that the term was coined during the major Civil Rights Movement of the 60s and 70s but not in use at the national level.  When things quieted down (relatively speaking) after Nixon gave us other things to stress over, it lay dormant until another round of heightened press coverage for racial tensions in the 90s.</p>
<p>So barring a serious job of etymological research, I can&#8217;t give you anything precise.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/08/maybe-we-should-have-elected-a-white-president-after-all/#comment-5298</link>
		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essentially, your little rant&#039;s basic premise is that anyone -- including specifically libertarians, whose whole ideological platform is a minimal reliance on the use of government -- who opposes a policy supported by a black president is a racist. You are a fucking moron. Off yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essentially, your little rant&#8217;s basic premise is that anyone &#8212; including specifically libertarians, whose whole ideological platform is a minimal reliance on the use of government &#8212; who opposes a policy supported by a black president is a racist. You are a fucking moron. Off yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Laden</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/08/maybe-we-should-have-elected-a-white-president-after-all/#comment-5289</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Laden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike H FCD: I am shocked.  SHOCKED! by your comments on my blog and this blog.  Then, I look and see it is the other Mike H.  Bummer.  

He&#039;s a funny guy, though.  (I mean, he IS a parody, right?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike H FCD: I am shocked.  SHOCKED! by your comments on my blog and this blog.  Then, I look and see it is the other Mike H.  Bummer.  </p>
<p>He&#8217;s a funny guy, though.  (I mean, he IS a parody, right?)</p>
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		<title>By: a daughter's mother</title>
		<link>http://quichemoraine.com/2009/08/maybe-we-should-have-elected-a-white-president-after-all/#comment-5281</link>
		<dc:creator>a daughter's mother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, grab yourself a big dose of the Stephanie Miller Show. The idea of racism isn&#039;t being denied everywhere.  They label it such every day, and throw in just enough comedy to make it ALMOST  bearable to listen to.  It helps keep me sane(r), and some days is the only way I can take my daily serving of politics.  What? You work from 8-11 AM? Try the podcast.

Don&#039;t let yourself be turned off by the fart jokes.  There are far more interviews with congressmen and senators.  Sure, there&#039;s a sound effects box - it&#039;s radio. And so what if their listeners have submitted a hundred different versions of &quot;You&#039;re a lying sack of crap,&quot; including in Nimibian.  OK, fake Nimibian. The humor is always well pointed with a very sharp stick.  You&#039;ll come away informed of what&#039;s going on on both sides, with lots of chances to giggle at the idiots, and ideas of why they are idiots and how to counter them.  And then maybe, just maybe, you can stand to make it through another day. At the very least, you&#039;ll know there are lots of good people out there fighting the good fight.  And that&#039;s something.

And by the way, it&#039;s not just racism, it&#039;s greed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, grab yourself a big dose of the Stephanie Miller Show. The idea of racism isn&#8217;t being denied everywhere.  They label it such every day, and throw in just enough comedy to make it ALMOST  bearable to listen to.  It helps keep me sane(r), and some days is the only way I can take my daily serving of politics.  What? You work from 8-11 AM? Try the podcast.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let yourself be turned off by the fart jokes.  There are far more interviews with congressmen and senators.  Sure, there&#8217;s a sound effects box &#8211; it&#8217;s radio. And so what if their listeners have submitted a hundred different versions of &#8220;You&#8217;re a lying sack of crap,&#8221; including in Nimibian.  OK, fake Nimibian. The humor is always well pointed with a very sharp stick.  You&#8217;ll come away informed of what&#8217;s going on on both sides, with lots of chances to giggle at the idiots, and ideas of why they are idiots and how to counter them.  And then maybe, just maybe, you can stand to make it through another day. At the very least, you&#8217;ll know there are lots of good people out there fighting the good fight.  And that&#8217;s something.</p>
<p>And by the way, it&#8217;s not just racism, it&#8217;s greed.</p>
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