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		<title>A &#8220;Fine-Tuned&#8221; Universe as Proof of a God?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are many scientists who believe that, if one or more physics constants of the universe had varied only slightly, they would have produced a universe incapable of supporting life. For example, if one constant had been slightly different, the universe would have collapsed back in upon itself before life had a chance to form.

Some religious people look at this supposedly "fine-tuned" universe and claim it is proof that a god exists who did the fine-tuning. Let us examine this claim.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many scientists who believe that, if one or more physics constants of the universe had varied only slightly, they would have produced a universe incapable of supporting life.  For example, if one constant had been slightly different, the universe would have collapsed back in upon itself before life had a chance to form.</p>
<p>Some religious people look at this supposedly &#8220;fine-tuned&#8221; universe and claim it is proof that a god exists who did the fine-tuning.  Let us examine this claim.</p>
<p><strong>God of the Gaps</strong></p>
<p>At heart, this is a god-of-the-gaps argument.  It says that since we can&#8217;t think of a natural way that the odds would have resulted in life in the universe, that &#8220;god did it.&#8221;  However, we have no knowledge of what this god is, nor what mechanism it uses to accomplish anything.  Therefore, &#8220;god&#8221; is not an answer to anything.</p>
<p>Religious people claim that we aren&#8217;t entitled to a &#8220;free lunch&#8221; when it comes to assuming a natural explanation for life in the universe, but &#8220;god&#8221; is the ultimate free lunch&#8211;no explanations are ever provided.</p>
<p><strong>The Universe</strong></p>
<p>The vast, vast majority of the universe is decidedly inhospitable to life.  Outer space is deadly to anything other than, perhaps, microbes&#8211;and the majority of planets, moons, and asteroids aren’t much better.</p>
<p>Judging by what we observe now, the universe will continue expanding forever, creating a &#8220;big chill&#8221; effect.  Heat energy will be so dissipated that no life will be possible.  A person alive just before this happens won’t view things as so &#8220;miraculously fine-tuned&#8221; as some religious people do today.</p>
<p><strong>Our Sun</strong></p>
<p>While natural conditions are favorable for life on Earth now, this won&#8217;t be true in about five billion years.  At that point the sun&#8217;s supply of hydrogen will run out and it will begin to fuse helium into heavier elements.  The sun will expand and engulf the Earth, wiping out all life.  Even a billion years from now, all water will have boiled off the Earth, making life improbable, if not impossible.  Again, a person alive just before either of these events occurs won&#8217;t view things as so &#8220;miraculously fine-tuned&#8221; as some religious people do today.</p>
<p><strong>The Earth</strong></p>
<p>Apart from the physics constants of the universe, some religious people claim that the Earth itself is so fine-tuned for life (proper distance from the sun, the right kind of elements, etc.) that only a god could have established it.  This, of course, is the same god-of-the-gaps type argument we encountered with the &#8220;fine-tuned&#8221; universe.</p>
<p>An obvious natural explanation is that, given the likelihood of trillions of planets existing in the universe, it would only take a tiny fraction of them to have the right kind of conditions to produce some type of life.  If only one planet per galaxy had life on it, that would still amount to 100 billion planets and at least 100 billion different species.</p>
<p><strong>Limited Knowledge</strong></p>
<p>The fined-tuned universe argument for a god assumes that what we think we know about the universe today is accurate.  But this is cutting edge physics, and what we believe to be true today is far from certain.  Even now there is much dispute among physicists as to how much these constants of the universe can vary and still produce a universe capable of leading to life.</p>
<p><strong>Multiple Universes</strong></p>
<p>Extraordinary odds against life in one universe become a near certainty if there are many universes.  If many universes exist (sometimes called a &#8220;multiverse&#8221;), or many &#8220;bubble universes&#8221; exist within a single universe, and each universe or bubble universe has its own set of random constants, then life will almost certainly arise in at least one of these universes or bubble universes.  (For example, roll a set of dice long enough and you will eventually get two sixes.)</p>
<p>While there is, as yet, no evidence for other universes, their existence is more plausible than the existence of a god.  After all, we know it&#8217;s possible for universes to exist&#8211;we live in one.  We have no evidence that it is possible for gods to exist.</p>
<p><strong>A Fine-Tuned God?</strong></p>
<p>Those who believe a &#8220;fine-tuned&#8221; universe proves the existence of a god admit there is some slight margin for variance in these physics constants of the universe.  But what about the god they believe exists?  Could that god be anything other than exactly what it is?  If not, then there is zero margin for variance for that god.  So, as improbable as the existence of life in the universe may seem, the existence of a god would be even more improbable.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>The track record of naturalistic science for answering questions about the natural world far exceeds the track record of supernatural &#8220;revelation.&#8221;  The existence of a god seems more improbable than life arising in the universe. &#8220;God&#8221; has not provided us with any answers and has instead raised more questions.</p>
<p><a href="http://augustberkshire.com/">August Berkshire</a> is president of <a href="http://minnesotaatheists.org/">Minnesota Atheists</a>.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lancelot</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[God and guns edition: Sex, Jerry Falwell style; protesting a dead, possibly gay poet; mocking the storm; Taliban blocks vaccines; Texas blocks science education;is there a fruit-bat sect that isn't for Sarah Palin; guns in recent multiple-death shootings legal and likely to stay that way; Tea Party threats via Twitter; Texas takes new tack on secession, then asks for federal aid; and Clinton reminds everyone who won the election.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God and guns edition: Sex, Jerry Falwell style; protesting a dead, possibly gay poet; mocking the storm; Taliban blocks vaccines; Texas blocks science education; is there a fruit-bat sect that isn&#8217;t for Sarah Palin; guns in recent multiple-death shootings legal and likely to stay that way; Tea Party threats via Twitter; Texas takes new tack on secession, then asks for federal aid; and Clinton reminds everyone who won the election.</p>
<p><strong>What They Really Teach You About Sex at Jerry Falwell&#8217;s &#8216;Bible Boot Camp&#8217;</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>I thought we&#8217;d try something new before class today,&#8221; says Nathan, the Evangelism 101 teaching assistant. &#8220;A little cheer.&#8221;</p>
<p>My roommate Eric turns to me. &#8220;God is good. Bet you ten bucks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Before I can ask what he means, Nathan sets down his microphone and shouts through cupped hands, &#8220;God is good!&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.esquire.com/the-side/feature/unlikely-disciple-excerpt-040209">Esquire</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>At Whitman, A Protest Over Poet&#8217;s Lifestyle</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>A group of seven congregants from Topeka, Kan., set up outside Walt Whitman High School in Bethesda yesterday to protest the sexual orientation of the poet for whom the school was named.</p>
<p>The police presence &#8212; 40 officers, five horses, blocked-off streets and a football field&#8217;s length of yellow tape &#8212; seemed comically disproportionate until the counter-protest arrived.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/24/AR2009042403461.html">Washington Post</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>A Gaythering Storm</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>There is a storm being caused by gay marriage and we are all in serious trouble.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6eddb255b2/a-gaythering-storm#player">Funny or Die</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Taliban blocks UN polio treatment in Pakistan</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Miliants in northern Pakistan have triggered a medical emergency by refusing to allow health officials to conduct a polio vaccination campaign.</p>
<p>Taliban militants in the former tourist destination of Swat Valley have obstructed officials from vaccinating over 300,000 children.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/5057026/Taliban-blocks-UN-polio-treatment-in-Pakistan.html">Telegraph</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Science setback for Texas schools</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>After three all-day meetings and a blizzard of amendments and counter-amendments, the Texas Board of Education cast its final vote Friday on state science standards. The results weren&#8217;t pretty.</p>
<p>The board majority amended the Earth and Space Sciences standards as well as the Biology standards (TEKS) with loopholes and language that make it even easier for creationists to attack science textbooks.</p>
<p><a href="http://ncseweb.org/news/2009/03/science-setback-texas-schools-004708">NCSE</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Religious Revolt: New Christian Sect Battles Demons, Raises the Dead, Campaigns for Sarah Palin</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>What is happening to Christianity?</p>
<p>In 1996 a team from Ted Haggard&#8217;s New Life Church flew to Mali and began furtively anointing entire towns with cooking oil.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/137728">AlterNet</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>John Ziegler, Palin Activist, Arrested At Katie Couric Award Ceremony</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Documentary filmmaker John Ziegler, who&#8217;s hard at work fighting Sarah Palin&#8217;s last battles for her, appeared On The Record with Greta Van Susteren, whose husband is hard at work fighting Sarah Palin&#8217;s future battles, for the glory of Scientology.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/17/john-ziegler-palin-activi_n_188209.html">Huffington Post</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Licensed to kill? Gunmen in killings had permits</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>They had more in common than unleashing carnage — nearly every gunman in this monthlong series of mass killings was legally entitled to fire his weapons.</p>
<p>So what does that say about the state of gun control laws in this country? One thing appears certain: the regulations aren&#8217;t getting stricter. Many recent efforts to change weapons laws have been about easing them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/04/licensed_to_kill_gunmen_in_killings_had_permits.php/">Talking Points Memo</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>As multiple-death shootings surge, Congress looks away</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Indeed, in recent weeks more than 60 people — including seven police officers — have been killed in multiple-death shootings from coast to coast. It’s just the type of headline-grabbing trend that might usually get congressional lawmakers screaming from the rafters for policy reforms, like banning military-style assault weapons and forcing gun-show vendors to do background checks on prospective buyers. Gun control advocates argue that such steps would help stem the more than 30,000 gun deaths that plague the United States each year.</p>
<p>But that hasn’t been the case. Instead, the reaction from congressional leaders — even the most vocal gun-reform proponents — has been a long, strange silence.</p>
<p><a href="http://minnesotaindependent.com/32776/as-multiple-death-shootings-surge-congress-looks-away">The Minnesota Independent</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Tea Party Twitter Arrest: Daniel Hayden Threatened Mass Murder, Cop Killing</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Another Twitter post began &#8220;START THE KILLING NOW!&#8221; Yet another: &#8220;Send the cops around. I will cut their heads off the heads and throw the[m] on the State Capitol steps,&#8221; he wrote in one message.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/26/tea-party-twitter-arrest_n_191527.html">Huffington Post</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Texas Republicans to U.S.: &#8220;Cease and desist&#8221;</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Let&#8217;s be clear what this &#8220;cease and desist&#8221; nonsense is all about: it&#8217;s neo-secessionism.</p>
<p>They aren&#8217;t outright calling for Texas to secede. Rather, they are claiming that state governments have the right to nullify the laws of the U.S. government.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/22/723081/-Texas-Republicans-to-U.S.:-Cease-and-desist">Daily Kos</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Rick Perry, After Raising Secession, Calls For Fed Help With Swine Flu</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Less than two weeks after raising the prospect of seceding from the union, Texas Gov. Rick Perry is calling on the federal government to come to his state&#8217;s aid in the midst of the swine flu outbreak.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/26/rick-perry-after-secessio_n_191521.html">Huffington Post</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Hillary To Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN): &#8220;President Obama Won The Election&#8221;</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>During today&#8217;s hearing before the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Hillary Clinton made something clear to a very critical Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN): President Obama won the 2008 election.</p>
<p>Pence gave a lengthy question in which he criticized Obama for being seen shaking hands with Hugo Chávez, and asked Hillary about the negative effects of this event. In her response, Hillary explained that Obama is taking a different approach than what has been tried in the recent past and didn&#8217;t work &#8212; and that Obama is the president:</p>
<p><a href="http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/hillary-to-rep-mike-pence-r-in-president-obama-won-the-election.php/">Talking Points Memo</a></p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Haubrich</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[For me, the value of inserting religion into science is that we can see we are inserting an extraneous variable into our statistics and our mathematical equations. The formula most beloved by people who are interested in science is the famous "e = mc²."  It is useful in understanding the relationship between energy, mass and the conversion thereof.  It has been tested and verified through the observation of matter and light in the labs and in astronomy's galactic lenses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I Lost My Temper in the Comment Section of a Friend&#8217;s Blog</strong></p>
<p><span style="float: left; padding: 5px; width:170px"><img alt="God Plays Yo-Yo with the Universe" src="http://www.dailygalaxy.com/photos/uncategorized/24002043einsteinemcposters.jpg" width="170" height="255"  /><br/> <center><em>God Plays Yo-Yo with the Universe</em> </center></span></p>
<p>I have a friend from my early days as a Christian youth growing up in Hallock, Minnesota. I had looked to him as an extra-churchory adviser on matters related to prayer and integrating fun into the practice of everyday religion. I had lost touch with him after he graduated from high school.  Alden and I both shared a love of sixties rock music, and he assured me that a Christian needn&#8217;t trap his ears in the Christian music aural ghetto.  Mutually, our favorite secular band was The Guess Who, and I still remember late evenings singing the song &#8220;F-I-D-D-L-I-N-G&#8221; outside of a nearly-abandoned Baptist Church in Hallock.</p>
<p>It is a song that celebrates drinking and gambling.</p>
<p>Alden found me as the result of a blog post I wrote four years ago regarding the northern lights and their frequent appearances in northern Minnesota.  I mentioned his name because he had bragged to a pair of missionaries from the Baptist church to Hallock, and he said that &#8220;The northern lights practically live here.&#8221;  The funny part of the story was that in the two months that the missionaries spent in Hallock, the northern lights didn&#8217;t light.</p>
<p>Alden happened to be googling his name four years ago and found my post.</p>
<p>Over the years since then, Alden and I have traded friendly yet pointed barbs on each other&#8217;s blogs.  When I needed help desperately last fall, Alden was among those who generously answered the call.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the main point of our disagreement.  Alden is a strong Christian who thinks that modernism has had a disastrous effect on our culture and our individual abilities to determine the answers to important questions.  As an atheist, I am unable to see where religious belief and faith yield any sort of objective understanding of the nature of life and origins.  In his mind, I have succumbed to the prejudice of natural methodology, and in my mind, he is all too willing to accept the writings of anybody who displays a philosophical skepticism over the historical explanatory power of cosmology and evolution.</p>
<p>It may be that as the days stretched on without being able to blog at Tangled Up in Blue Guy, I was suffering withdrawal and was more likely to lash out at ludicrous and ill-informed attacks on the settled science of evolution.  It may be that he didn&#8217;t correct one of his peanut gallery commenter&#8217;s inane statements that &#8220;evolution is scientists&#8217; subconscious way to deny the Living God that they hate&#8221; and that evolution wasn&#8217;t necessary for understanding biology in the seventies and that <a href="http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/23/evolution-creation-debate-biology-opinions-contributors_darwin.html" target="_blank">Skell is right that it is still unimportant</a>.</p>
<p>I <a href="http://www.aldenswan.com/2009/02/24/evolution-is-irrelevant/#comments" target="_blank">lost my cool and lashed out</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Steve, you just blew my irony meter.</p>
<p>How well do you then understand biology?  Enough to get by?</p>
<p>What you both ignore is that the battle over evolution and religion was hashed out in the 19th century and evolution was unearthed and investigated by people who were creationists trying to prove the accuracy of the bible and the creation story. You should take the time to acquaint yourself with the full development of the theory before you start insulting the motives of people who have been unearthing nature’s secrets as some sort of justification for affirming their “hatred of the living god.”</p>
<p>It is just your sort of thinking and talking that drove me away from religion in the first place. If I have to suspend my disbelief in science so much so in order to practice religion, and if the things that religion teaches contradict what I can see with my own eyes, then religion loses out.</p>
<p>If Augustine wrote one thing that makes sense, then it is his statement that misstating the facts of the natural world in order to promote religion is a fool’s game.</p>
<p>Your continued denialism in the face of the evidence of evolution leads me to the conclusion that you will never be interested in anything that contradicts your &#8220;faith.&#8221; Instead you will continue to follow the lead of those who don’t understand that the process of science is a matter of investigation and not faith.</p>
<p>And Alden, I am still trying to figure out how a method of science that includes the supernatural is supposed to work in yielding objective information.</p>
<p>Finally, as to the accusation that scientists are only interested in protecting their money, power and authority; I would suggest that religion is lashing out on this issue because of its fear of losing hegemony.</p></blockquote>
<p>I invite readers to to the full exchange over at Alden&#8217;s blog, because my intention is not to provide a rehash here at Quiche Moraine. In reference to Augustine, I had in mind this passage:</p>
<blockquote><p>Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience.  Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn.  The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men.  If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.  For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although <em>they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion</em>. (1 Timothy 1.7)</p>
<p>[Saint Augustine (A.D. 354–430) in his work <em>The Literal Meaning of Genesis (De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim)</em> provided excellent advice for all Christians who are faced with the task of interpreting Scripture in the light of scientific knowledge.  This translation is by J. H. Taylor in <em>Ancient Christian Writers</em>, Newman Press, 1982, volume 41.]</p></blockquote>
<p>Evolution is <em>not</em> what turned me against religion.  I was able to reconcile evolution with my faith.  Honestly, I didn&#8217;t give it a lot of thought, this contradiction between faith and evolution.  I knew for dang sure that the literal belief in the 6,000-year-old creation was not to be taken seriously, but a form of &#8220;guided evolution&#8221; was something I could accept until I started thinking more deeply about the role death, disease and starvation play in the development of a diverse tangled bank.</p>
<p><span style="float: left; padding: 5px; width:280px"><img alt="An Honest Transitional Fossil" src="http://geoweek.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/tiktaalik1.jpg" width="280" height="308"  /><br/> <center><em>An Honest Transitional Fossil</em> </center></span></p>
<p>No, this ancient Christian philosopher got at least one thing right if nothing else.  It was an insistence that religion should have <a title="prima nocta" href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112573/plotsummary" target="_blank"><em>prima nocta</em></a> over any understanding of nature that finally drove me away.  If it came down to a dispute over whether or not <em>tiktaalik</em> was a transitional fossil (which I can plainly see to be the case) or a denial that evolution is a valid historical science that yields current insights into the modern study of biology based on the religious authorities&#8217; insistence that I should deny evidence, I would have to discard religion.</p>
<p>The progenitors of intelligent design creationism have clearly not thought through the theological implications of teaching their stance.  By inserting an insistence that there is more to evolution than can be learned through the scientific method, and then by deliberately misstating science in ways that can be easily fact-checked, they are setting up a situation through which students will learn to distrust religious authority.  By drawing a direct relationship from the natural methodology used to study evolution to atheism they are paving a road towards atheism for kids who might not otherwise have even considered it.</p>
<p>For me, the value of inserting religion into science is that we can see we are inserting an extraneous variable into our statistics and our mathematical equations.  The formula most beloved by people who are interested in science is the famous &#8220;e = mc².&#8221;  It is useful in understanding the relationship between energy, mass and the conversion thereof.  It has been tested and verified through the observation of matter and light in the labs and in astronomy&#8217;s galactic lenses.</p>
<p>My friend insists that through denying the role of faith in understanding, modern scientific practice has limited itself.  By eliminating the role of the supernatural in science, modernism is unnecessarily stultifying my thinking and the thinking of those of us who are no longer open to a supernatural creator/designer.</p>
<p>When I look at the equation &#8220;e + God = mc²,&#8221; I see the same result as the equation &#8220;e = mc²,&#8221; and I don&#8217;t see the value of the extraneous variable &#8220;God&#8221; in explaining the relationship between energy and matter.  With the insistence of inserting that variable, creationists of whatever stripe are making things worse for their cause when the thinkers of tomorrow consider the implications of their folly.  They should leave science for science and stop meddling.  As an atheist, I should be happy that they are weakening their argument better than I possibly could on my own.</p>
<p>For my friend&#8217;s sake, I am actually a bit saddened.</p>
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